Integrating Windows CE development kit into Visual C++ 4.2
Jon Turner -- jturner@agris.com
Tuesday, December 03, 1996
Environment: VC++ 4.2-flat, Win 95, NT 4.0, Windows CE
Windows CE is a 'lite' version of Windows '95 for smaller, hand-held =
computers. The development kit is beta. It is supposed to integrate =
into the Visual C++ development environment, but after my colleague =
installs the SDK the Visual C++ environment will crash on startup every =
time. I appologize for not know the details of the crash, but my =
colleague didn't remember and is now in the process of totally removing =
Visual C++ and reinstalling.
Has anyone out there had any experience with Windows CE and SDK?
Jon Turner
Agris Corporation
jturner@agris.com
Robert H. Mowery III -- rmowery@csci.csc.com
Thursday, December 05, 1996
[Mini-digest: 7 responses]
You need to drop back to VC++ 4.0. According to the information at the
microsoft web site for the CE and my own personal trial, the SDK will only
work under VC++4.0. Additionally MFC is not supported at this time :-( So
you need to use the SDK and therefore any app written in MFC will not yet
work.
Let's hope the MFC team puts out something even beta in for this so we can
use MFC.
-Robert Mowery
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From: Jon Turner
To: 'mfc-l@netcom.com'
Subject: Integrating Windows CE development kit into Visual C++ 4.2
Date: Tuesday, December 03, 1996 9:49 AM
Environment: VC++ 4.2-flat, Win 95, NT 4.0, Windows CE
Windows CE is a 'lite' version of Windows '95 for smaller, hand-held
computers. The development kit is beta. It is supposed to integrate into
the Visual C++ development environment, but after my colleague installs the
SDK the Visual C++ environment will crash on startup every time. I
appologize for not know the details of the crash, but my colleague didn't
remember and is now in the process of totally removing Visual C++ and
reinstalling.
Has anyone out there had any experience with Windows CE and SDK?
Jon Turner
Agris Corporation
jturner@agris.com
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-----From: "Tomasz Pawlowski"
Current version of Windows CE SDK works only with VC++4.0.
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Subject: Integrating Windows CE development kit into Visual C++ 4.2
Author: mfc-l@netcom.com at internet
Date: 12/5/96 9:56 AM
Environment: VC++ 4.2-flat, Win 95, NT 4.0, Windows CE
Windows CE is a 'lite' version of Windows '95 for smaller, hand-held =
computers. The development kit is beta. It is supposed to integrate =
into the Visual C++ development environment, but after my colleague =
installs the SDK the Visual C++ environment will crash on startup every =
time. I appologize for not know the details of the crash, but my =
colleague didn't remember and is now in the process of totally removing =
Visual C++ and reinstalling.
Has anyone out there had any experience with Windows CE and SDK?
Jon Turner
Agris Corporation
jturner@agris.com
-----From: CraigTT@ccmail01.PE-Nelson.COM
Jon,
I personally haven't any experience but I was at the Windows SIG of the Software
Forum last night and there was a short discussion about CE. There was a
statement made by someone who has been using the SDK that it only works with
VC++ 4.0 not 4.1 or 4.2.
Tim Craig
PE-Nelson
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Brad Wilson/Crucial Software -- crucial@pobox.com
Sunday, December 08, 1996
> Let's hope the MFC team puts out something even beta in for this so we
can
> use MFC.
MFC will never (and should never) support Windows CE. Go read the
specifications on Windows CE to know why ... your apps have to be VERY VERY
tight and trim; not to mention, some of the functionality exploited by MFC
(namely, hooks) isn't supported.
--
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Mike Blaszczak -- mikeblas@nwlink.com
Wednesday, December 11, 1996
[Mini-digest: 3 responses]
[Moderator's plea: Can we end this discussion, please?]
At 16:48 12/8/96 -0500, Brad Wilson wrote:
>MFC will never (and should never) support Windows CE.
Really?
.B ekiM
http://www.nwlink.com/~mikeblas/
I'm afraid I've become some sort of speed freak.
These words are my own. I do not speak on behalf of Microsoft.
-----From: "Robert H. Mowery III"
> MFC will never (and should never) support Windows CE. Go read the
> specifications on Windows CE to know why ...
I disagree. I wouldn't say never. There are too many developers writing
MFC based applications that will want to port them to the Windows CE. I
would guess MS themselves will be doing such. There is no way I or anyone
else will want to maintain two derivations of development. First, it is
too costly and second it would be far too difficult to keep the
applications in synch if one had to write the same app in both the SDK and
MFC.
>your apps have to be VERY VERY
> tight and trim; not to mention, some of the functionality exploited by
MFC
> (namely, hooks) isn't supported.
MFC apps can be written tightly. For some reason everyone thinks MFC
bloats everything. Why is that?
While MFC doesn't support hooks ( I am guessing you are refereing to
Windows hooks like keyboard hooks, cbt hooks, etc.) there is no reason
that a class cannot be written to that encapsulates the SDK calls.
I don't find these valid enough reasons to think MFC would not be ported to
the Windows CE. After all a Macintosh port was made of MFC :-) and these
little CE devices will out do those Macs in the long term :-)
Just my two cents. I would like to hear more view points though on
this........
-Robert Mowery
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> From: Brad Wilson
> To: mfc-l@netcom.com
> Subject: Re: Integrating Windows CE development kit into Visual C++ 4.2
> Date: Sunday, December 08, 1996 4:48 PM
>
> > Let's hope the MFC team puts out something even beta in for this so we
> can
> > use MFC.
>
> MFC will never (and should never) support Windows CE. Go read the
> specifications on Windows CE to know why ... your apps have to be VERY
VERY
> tight and trim; not to mention, some of the functionality exploited by
MFC
> (namely, hooks) isn't supported.
>
> --
> Brad Wilson Custom software development & solutions
> crucial@pobox.com Internet and intranet consulting services
> The Brads' Consulting Windows NT/Windows 95 software development
> http://www.thebrads.com Web site planning, development and maintenance
> Content (C) 1996 Brad Wilson; no reproduction without authorization
>
-----From: Ash Williams
>> MFC will never (and should never) support Windows CE
Noone suggested MFC itself - the 'MFC-team' could quite easily put out
a _slim_ _cousin_ of MFC and not MFC itself, to wrap many of the Api's,
but not go quite as crazy, eg leave out doc-views say. Or maybe
something else, but you've got the idea
I would hate to think all CE apps would consist of Api calls like the
bad old days of windows sdk. In fact the first thing I and many other
c++/object programmers would do would be to make my own (slim)
class-wrappers, but I'd rather use some standard classes if possible.
If not Microsoft then some other company such as Stingray.
And hopefully any CE-MFC would be a much better design than
schizo Win95-MFC!
Ash
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